So the Phoenix sale was [edit] not [/edit] a failure

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With all this Phoenix controversy I think we forgot the most important part for CIG: less than 1000 Phoenix were sold (don't tell me it doesn't take the upgrades into account because it does).

What do you think are the reasons for this failure ?
Do you think CIG pushed it too far ? ($400 for a space ship... we, Star Citizen fans, do not realize how ridiculous this is anymore)
Do you think there was a lack of communication on the luxury features ?
Do you think there is simply no way they can sell more ships to people who already spent sometimes more than $1000 ?

I would love to hear CIG's opinion on this, although they will probably not give us any afterthought.
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    your source for the number of sold phoenixes is what?

    or are you just trolling?
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    If they put it back on sale, I'll upgrade.
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    your source for the number of sold phoenixes is what?

    or are you just trolling?

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    Do you know the number of how many upgrades were sold? Were they included in the 5000 total?
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    your source for the number of sold phoenixes is what?

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    the one that broke kind of early during the sale?
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  • Ivan

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    your source for the number of sold phoenixes is what?

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    It was broken. And it didn't count upgrades. Most of us already had Constellations. It was the most popular ship during the initial pledge period.
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    your source for the number of sold phoenixes is what?

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    It was broken. And it didn't count upgrades. Most of us already had Constellations. It was the most popular ship during the initial pledge period.


    They told us the upgrades were included, I don't see why we wouldn't believe them.
    People think it is not the case because they didn't sell very well.
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    I think that if the interior had been in light pink it would have sold much better.
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    It's meant to be limited. Therefore I'd say it was a success.
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    A failure? LOL
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    If only a small percentage of people own a luxury ship, isn't that working as intended?
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    your source for the number of sold phoenixes is what?

    or are you just trolling?

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    It was broken. And it didn't count upgrades. Most of us already had Constellations. It was the most popular ship during the initial pledge period.


    They told us the upgrades were included, I don't see why we wouldn't believe them.
    People think it is not the case because they didn't sell very well.
    They told us the upgrades were NOT included automatically and that they would have to manually account for them.
    We have no evidence they ever did or didn't do that.
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    With all this Phoenix controversy I think we forgot the most important part for CIG: less than 1000 Phoenix were sold (don't tell me it doesn't take the upgrades into account because it does).

    What do you think are the reasons for this failure ?
    Do you think CIG pushed it too far ? ($400 for a space ship... we, Star Citizen fans, do not realize how ridiculous this is anymore)
    Do you think there was a lack of communication on the luxury features ?
    Do you think there is simply no way they can sell more ships to people who already spent sometimes more than $1000 ?

    I would love to hear CIG's opinion on this, although they will probably not give us any afterthought.

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    .. /sigh it was a Connie sale, and the 2.5 million they made over the sale pretty much says you're wrong.
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    your source for the number of sold phoenixes is what?

    or are you just trolling?

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    It was broken. And it didn't count upgrades. Most of us already had Constellations. It was the most popular ship during the initial pledge period.


    They told us the upgrades were included, I don't see why we wouldn't believe them.
    People think it is not the case because they didn't sell very well.
    CIG has been averaging around 30-40k a week without a sale and all the sudden they made over 1.5 million in a week where do you think that came from?
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    With all this Phoenix controversy I think we forgot the most important part for CIG: less than 1000 Phoenix were sold (don't tell me it doesn't take the upgrades into account because it does).

    What do you think are the reasons for this failure ?
    Do you think CIG pushed it too far ? ($400 for a space ship... we, Star Citizen fans, do not realize how ridiculous this is anymore)
    Do you think there was a lack of communication on the luxury features ?
    Do you think there is simply no way they can sell more ships to people who already spent sometimes more than $1000 ?

    I would love to hear CIG's opinion on this, although they will probably not give us any afterthought.

    So , 1.5 million dollars over a week is a failure? I wish I could fail like that.

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    your source for the number of sold phoenixes is what?

    or are you just trolling?

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    It was broken. And it didn't count upgrades. Most of us already had Constellations. It was the most popular ship during the initial pledge period.


    They told us the upgrades were included, I don't see why we wouldn't believe them.
    People think it is not the case because they didn't sell very well.
    They told us the upgrades were NOT included automatically and that they would have to manually account for them.
    We have no evidence they ever did or didn't do that.


    That was true of the standalone ship too.

    Nobody has any confirmation that the upgrades were not included (they even told us they were in fact included), yet the whole forum is convinced that it was the case!!

    Why wouldn't you just accept that the sale was a failure ? The point of this thread is to discuss WHY it was a failure.
  • b101uk

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    there was NO failure

    likewise the only controversy was from people doing like you have with your post.

    I would also suspect there are more than a few unused Phoenix upgrades that have not been applied to any ship yet thus there is no Phoenix created, likewise I suspect the fact that the amount of Phoenix upgrades wasn't limited in number whereas the number of ship packages was limited to 4000 suggests there was NO correlation between Phoenix upgrades available vs. Phoenix packages, else BOTH would have had counters.
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    Actually that's 30-40k a day, but your ratio is the same.
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    OP is failure.
    I would love to hear CIG's opinion on this, although they will probably not give YOU any afterthought.
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    your source for the number of sold phoenixes is what?

    or are you just trolling?

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    It was broken. And it didn't count upgrades. Most of us already had Constellations. It was the most popular ship during the initial pledge period.
    They told us the upgrades were included, I don't see why we wouldn't believe them.
    People think it is not the case because they didn't sell very well.
    CIG has been averaging around 30-40k a week without a sale and all the sudden they made over 1.5 million in a week where do you think that came from?
    And let's not forget that this was a 'Constellation' sale, not a 'Phoenix' sale. They did just fine.
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    Why wouldn't you just accept that the sale was a failure ? The point of this thread is to discuss WHY it was a failure.

    Perhaps it's your choice of words? Admitting that the sale "could have gone better", "could have sold more", or "could have been smoother" and claiming that it's a "failure" is more than just a semantic difference. It's entirely possible that the Phoenix is not everything everyone would have wanted in a limited Constellation variant. Then again, the MIS is not necessarily what everyone was looking for in a Freelancer, either. Would you call the Freelancer sale a failure? The point of comparison is hard to make because the MIS was not limited quantity and the Phoenix is (although it didn't sell out). We don't know how many MIS Lancers were sold, but if they sold less than a thousand, would you call that sale a failure? Or is this one a failure just because it didn't sell out? (Actually, if every sale that fails to sell out is a failure, then many if not most sales in the world fail.)

    You'd probably have more people willing to discuss your criticisms (because let's face it, it wasn't perfect, there's definitely room for constructive criticism) if you used terminology that didn't alienate people who might otherwise concede other things you had to say. If you're only willing to have discourse with people who agree with your supposition that the sale was a complete failure, then you're not going to get much input from people who're sufficiently in the middle to agree with some of your hypothesis, even if they don't agree with all of it.
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  • Moutch

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    your source for the number of sold phoenixes is what?

    or are you just trolling?

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    It was broken. And it didn't count upgrades. Most of us already had Constellations. It was the most popular ship during the initial pledge period.
    They told us the upgrades were included, I don't see why we wouldn't believe them.
    People think it is not the case because they didn't sell very well.
    CIG has been averaging around 30-40k a week without a sale and all the sudden they made over 1.5 million in a week where do you think that came from?
    And let's not forget that this was a 'Constellation' sale, not a 'Phoenix' sale. They did just fine.


    The constellation sale was a success. Many people bought the Aquila which is probably responsible for most of the $$$ received by CIG during this period.

    But the Phoenix sale failed. That is what the counter told us.
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    I'm never sure how this kind of claim gains traction... of course the Constellation variant sale was a success, it pushed us past the $50, $51 and $52 million stretch goals in rapid succession! As mentioned at the time, the number of Phoenixes (Phoenii?) listed in the SKU included only addon ships and not Phoenix packages or upgrades. We did keep track of overall sales internally to make sure we didn't go over 5,000 total in the 'verse, but there wasn't a way to reflect that on the individual SKU page.

    (But beyond that, remember that limited ship numbers like that exist for the sake of not upsetting the persistent universe's intended balance and not because we need to sell X many to make a sale worthwhile... they're virtual ships, we aren't stuck with a warehouse of leftover Constellations to pay for. :))
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    Complete.. and utter failure.

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  • Bulletstop

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    I have to ask. If it was a failure, then how can you explain us going 2 million in just a few days? Please explain that failure..


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    As mentioned at the time, the number of Phoenixes (Phoenii?) listed in the SKU included only addon ships and not Phoenix packages or upgrades.


    Hum it seems to me that this was never mentioned. Actually someone said the contrary IIRC.



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    I'm never sure how this kind of claim gains traction... of course the Constellation variant sale was a success, it pushed us past the $50, $51 and $52 million stretch goals in rapid succession! As mentioned at the time, the number of Phoenixes (Phoenii?) listed in the SKU included only addon ships and not Phoenix packages or upgrades. We did keep track of overall sales internally to make sure we didn't go over 5,000 total in the 'verse, but there wasn't a way to reflect that on the individual SKU page.

    (But beyond that, remember that limited ship numbers like that exist for the sake of not upsetting the persistent universe's intended balance and not because we need to sell X many to make a sale worthwhile... they're virtual ships, we aren't stuck with a warehouse of leftover Constellations to pay for. :))

    Haha, I kind of wish you would just put that somewhere in the PU. A warehouse full of unsold Phoenixes waiting to be discovered by a lucky treasure hunter to sell on the open market. :-)
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    With all this Phoenix controversy I think we forgot the most important part for CIG: less than 1000 Phoenix were sold (don't tell me it doesn't take the upgrades into account because it does).

    What do you think are the reasons for this failure ?
    Do you think CIG pushed it too far ? ($400 for a space ship... we, Star Citizen fans, do not realize how ridiculous this is anymore)
    Do you think there was a lack of communication on the luxury features ?
    Do you think there is simply no way they can sell more ships to people who already spent sometimes more than $1000 ?

    I would love to hear CIG's opinion on this, although they will probably not give us any afterthought.

    but we have 100% conformation that upgrades did not in fact contribute to the total sales ticker, so the number of units sold is unknown. Oh look, Ben just posted to confirm what other staff have already confirmed, a number of times.

    1,000 units at what was it? $400? So... Figure half of that 1,000 was single ship, and the other half was package... ~350,000+ from just those KNOWN sales, not to count the $125 upgrades, and the $1,000 Connie super pack... Most people I know went for upgrades, as they already had the damn thing... So yeah... That is a nice fat chunk of change right there... Seems it could have possibly been MORE successful, as everything can ALWAYS be MORE successful, but to declare it a failure, ha.
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